I want feedback

[Eyvindr]

I want feedback from the members and possibly staff about something.

Watcher has a problem with my bio. And not just my 'Lethal attack'. She thinks that Eyvindr should not be able to lift his sword blades. I looked up that a typical katana or longsword weighs 1.0-1.5kg, or 2-3 pounds. Eyvindr's weapons have no handle, so they weigh less. Eyvindr is fairly seasoned in telekinesis: In his history, I state that he trained for a year almost without stopping, so assuming that he trains 13 hours a day, that comes to 4745 hours. If only 12 a day, then 4380. The point is, it's a large figure.

Energy: Used to Determine the Amount of Mana one has as well as the power from spells one casts.

there have been mavericks which showed that rank means nothing, but generally ranks or pretty much true.

These two clearly show that magical rank is meaningless, and only generally does it mean that someone is more powerful than someone else. If I have 15 energy, and an Arch Mage or Master has 10 energy (For whatever reason), then my magic will be more powerful than that Arch Mage or Master's magic.

A mage with 15 energy would be able to power a small city for a couple of days.

For a sense of how powerful Eyvindr's magic is.

All of these were taken directly from the rules, written by The Designer, who is very much above The Watcher.

Watcher, I only want opinions here. Don't delete this.



*By 'Lightly constructed', I mean thinner, shorter, a groove on the flat or the blade, maybe a hollow cavity in the center. Overall, weighs maybe a third less.

EDIT: Made the quote what it actually is now.

[The Designer]

Well...for your Quotes...

There have been mavericks.. Please Note by Maverick, they are special, special people. Your char (I don't mean you, but everyone here) ain't one of 'em...

As far as I'm concerned, you gotta Role Play well enough to even be considered above your rank.... Stats mean nothing otherwise...

Anyways, as for the 15 Energy thing and New York City, that only applies to Mages who have accurately masted their powers enough to do so...

Spell casters and Apprentices can't do awesome shit like that yet..... Spellcasters maybe, but apprentinces no.... Unless their posts are so freakin uber awesome to pull that off....

And by awesome, I mean awesome... *Not in Length, but content, role playing, etc, etc*

At least, not for the first 50 posts anyway.... >.>

Besides, I say stick with Needles, they're much cooler in my personal opinion....

Btw: No Master would have only 10 Energy... That would be fundamentally flawed ....*But seeing as exceptions can exist, those masters and archmages would wipe the floor with you in other, interesting ways ^_^*

PS: Changed Energy and New York thing.. After seeing how FREAKING HUGE that city was.....

[The Recorder]

Training time means NOTHING!

Let's take an example say this Rui nut-case for instance. By his bio his character has been using/training in magic since he was young which I'm going to find ODD as hell but, he's already been approved. Yet let's say your typical training day is 8 hours. Rui has been training for roughly ten years or something like that but, let's use 10 since it's a round number.

365 x 8 x 10 = 29,200 Hours

Five times your training yet he is an apprentice with his limits.

Again I question the player's sanity when writing this bio but, let's also note something that be glad that it was Watcher who came up to critique your stuff before I arrived. Because I am much less generous.

Rank not only effects general power but, also percision and magic control and to put it bluntly? I wouldn't approve any of your spells. Did you even factor in how much control and focus is required in manipulating a single item let alone multiple ones? By all rights you should be frying your brain from manipulating multiple items at once because of the mental overload. Not to mention rapid drain. Your average Psion spends roughly ten years of training before he can even handle BASIC telekinesis and even then that's only one item of up to five pounds.

In short? Rank represents the mastery you have in a specific magic-style.

Secondly your lethal attack?

Do you have any inkling of an idea on the percision and control required to make just a single coupe de grace strike? Your average sword fighter will spend two to three years learning to perfect such a percise death blow. Yet you're going for four at the same time. By all rights your brain would probably fry until you hit Wizard or Master Level in my opinion.

Oh and by the way you're also a PLAYER arguing with STAFF.

You arguing with Watcher in the first place like you have been has been ridiculous I don't see how her patience has lasted this long because mine would have snapped much sooner. Never mind the fact you've been out-right rude with her. Watcher has reached Administration Level. The highest level of staff. She is considered a trusted member whose opinions are valued by Designer and Helper and considered on an equal level. Yet you disrespect her out-right?

If you were just pushing items along or flinging them letting momentum carry the item then I really wouldn't be so short with my critique.

Administration forgive me if I am harsh on this but, I am very stubborn with psychicism and it's subbranches since people tend to abuse the stuff rather then try to realize the full requirements and control required to use it.

Oh and another note. Sure you may be able to move the blade around but, you would have no force behind it to deal any damage if you're just manipulating it. Someone could slap it away with their hand and you'd be fighting just to keep it afloat.

[Roy Atenwood]

Bottom line seems to be:

Staff> You.

Yup. I don't see any problem there. It's the way things should be, althoutgh I think if you argue with the staff, you should get banned.

[Eyvindr]

So.

It seems that my entire fighting style is unacceptable because...

A: Telekinesis is extremely complex, and it takes mastery to lift more than five pounds

B: Lifting more than one object is extremely hard.

C: I wouldn't be able to put any force behind my blows.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are all of the above true? (Staff answer, please.)

[Syril Ænari]

eyvindr said:

So.

It seems that my entire fighting style is unacceptable because...

A: Telekinesis is extremely complex, and it takes mastery to lift more than five pounds

B: Lifting more than one object is extremely hard.

C: I wouldn't be able to put any force behind my blows.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are all of the above true? (Staff answer, please.)

Just a little hint: It wouldn't hurt to sound a bit more apologetic. After all, you are in the wrong here, regardless of whether it was your intention.

Oh and given the circumstances, I'd say go with the lightly built blades so you have some prayer of being able to move them with enough force to inflict damage (I realize rapiers and daggers and such are lighter, but... they just wouldn't have the same effect.) Personally, I think the idea of wielding four telekinetically controlled sword-blades is a cool one; it's a pity there has to be all this controversy over it.

[The Recorder]

Reponse A: Yes Telekinesis is extremely complex and mastery takes time and dedication before you can do rather fancy stuff rather then just flinging, pulling, pushing. Sure you could put force behind that stuff but, constant manipulation is much more complex and requires more percision and control. Something an apprentice will not carry.

Response B: Manipulating more then one object at a time at apprentice leve can potentially burn your mind. Again gaining mastery means you can potentially manipulate more items but, it is ill-advised.

Response C: Manipulation even if you could move the weapon because you have little spare lifting ability to channel into force for a blow it would be pointless at apprentice level. An amusing concept or distraction or for scratching someone.

I'm sure it's great to manipulate multiple blades and duel with them at at LATER level of MASTERY. Yeah that rank thing comes back again doesn't it? Rank. Oh yeah kind of a significance of you mastery of a style, level of control, and percision.

Shall we go on?

[The « Scith »]

Yea.. I have heard all about the arguing over this, and came back just to put in my word. xD None of you probably know me well at all save for Designer and Watcher. Anyways.

Recorder pretty much put into words my exact mindset. Its a simple term of Mass.

It is easier in exertion to create something from nothing with magic, then it is to control and wield a mass which is natural falling into gravity.

Take for instance a flame. A flame by terms has no mass, it is also a conjuration completely at the will of a human being by taking components already in the air around them, the earth, even their own bodies, and using their mind to combine them. Why is this easier? Because the components are SO microscopic that it virtually puts no strain on them at all. Yours however, requires not only for you to split your focus four ways, but to do it with roughly 10+ lbs. ( Unless your talking less then an inch in width, which I HIGHLY doubt. ) Sorry, but even a switch blade weighs 1-2 pounds depending on the crafter. A blade in terms of sword length would weigh roughly 10+ lbs even without a hilt if its made up to dueling par. If not? Its a paper weight.. have you even HELD a real blade before? Not one of those little kitchen knives but a LITERAL blade? They are heavy, because in order to be able to withstand the constant use in battle, they have to be either crafted at INSANELY high heat and used with THICK tough material, or folded over MANY times to withstand damage. Then you have to take into account that your precision means shit in a real battle. You would have to expend MUCH more power then an Apprentice is capable of, even with the training you simply "said" you did, to keep up with a moving opponent, meaning your lethal attack becomes nothing more then a random factor. The blades are not what I am personally worried about. What the staff should be worried about is what Recorder here mentioned. ALL of your spells.

do you know how much damage a needle can do? Let alone 650 of them could do? This is CLEARLY the more dangerous of the two evils. REALLY dangerous infact. As depicted by your own spells, this attack is capable of penetrating organs, major blood vessels and the like. Which means you would have to expend and extreme amount of energy to hit something so small as a blood vessel, throwing up the red flag right there. I also really dont think you comprehend that what you say in your history really means shit towards your skill level, as you have not actually given proof you put in the effort towards your character to be treated "special" over other people to gain those hours which would have had to be spent IC on this forum instead.

IMHO. Your training means shit. Your spells are too dangerous for an apprentice. Finally you are REALLY over compensating for what Energy can be considered here.

[The Recorder]

Thank you Scith for expanding onto my points. The fact remains Eyvindr that your spells are over that little dangerous point we call god-modding here at Arcane Academy. Because, it is without a doubt in my mind that you're always going to say your attacks hit since you seem to have that general 'I'm better then everyone' attitude. In reality? Someone like Lexandra or Phae would mop the floor with you and then make you into an amusing throw-rug for people to wipe their feet should you fight them.

Is that a blunt enough comparison?

Because your attitude clearly states that I can not be kind and flexible with you and you giving shit to Watcher is not making you on my 'Good' list either.

Your shield spell ah yes...

That one was amusing.

Do you have any clue how small the surface area is that you're defending with that?

Let alone the fact that I could simply torch a fire spell through it with your amusing holes?

It's much cheaper and more effective to just use an energy barrier.

Shall I go on or will you finally work with Staff and be a responisble player? And owe up that maybe Watcher knows what she's talking about. She's the lesser of the staff evils. Scith and I are much more nasty on these things,

[The « Scith »]

Yea. If need be I can also go into the whole gravity affect upon a greater surface area, and of three feet you also counter into the fact it requires energy to keep them balanced in attacking, etc, etc. There are quite a few factors in dealing with things bigger. Oh, and dont feel like I am picking on you, I just noticed some of the staff getting flustered about you which is why I got targeted to this. If you have any complaints about other bios in comparison to yours? Feel free to point them out, I havent been here, so I can only speak upon that which I have seen recently. ( Beeing your bio. ) It seems though I may have to make a come back considering conflicting issues are arising so I can help. You bet your ass I am neutral and a hard ass to anyone I see is trying to be "special" because quite frankly, I dont RP here anymore. XD

Anyways. Whats done is done, revise it..oh, and yea, Recorder true with the shield, the shield is crap, but the attack from those needles is BEYOND lethal. I can not see why you argued over the swords when you could have simply fixed it and in turn kept something MUCH more dangerous. XD

[The Sage]

I believe I should also state a few things:

For one, if you were to use telekinesis, that is fine. However, you cannot lift as much as you claim to. The ONLY way you could, to some degree, would be to leave that as your ONLY ability/magic/skill. Yes, it requires concentration, yes more than you are able to right now. It is not based solely on your energy stat. If you want to use it, then maybe use some outside help. Look into the Psionics Handbook for D&D. They go into mental abilities, and I know there is a table for telekinesis. The higher your level, the more you can lift. Perhaps I might even discuss coming up with one for the board, provided Watcher or Designer clears it. I think that would help solve that dispute.

Scith, I do need to point out a few things. IRL, I am a martial artist, as well as a fencer (not Olympic fencing, but learned from mentors and the translated manuscripts on dueling), so I have an extensive knowledge on what I am about to explain. Your estimate on how much a blade weighs is way off. Specifically with fencing, it is not about power, but accuracy. It only take 4 lbs. of pressure to puncture human skin with a sharp object. A fencing blade, specifically the one I use, is hilt heavy, allowing for blade speed. The blade weighs less than 10, lbs, closer to maybe 5 at best (and I don't even think it's that heavy). Have you ever tried to wield even a metal rod that weighs 10 lbs.? Good luck even trying to control that while swinging! There ARE heavier blades, using gravity and momentum to add to the power, but most are not 10 lbs. (I state all this because you attacked someone about holding a REAL blade, and yet you are too far of. I have handled MANY real blades, so I have a little bit more ground to stand on).

Still, even with that, you are going to need more focus and strength in your telekinetic ability to control everything you are attempting to manipulate. The needles I see no problem with. Your swords are another issue.

As for your lethal strike. Coming from strictly a fencing stand point, most strikes ARE lethal However, if you are going to be striking with all four at the same time, then you are going to need to master your swordplay, and your telekinetic. Basically, you are NOT at a high enough level to pull off this attack. however, it does sate that all spells listed are what your character learns over the course of his/her lifetime. Perhaps you will one day know and use this attack. Right now, at apprentice level, not going to happen.

As for your defense grid, I did think that was clever. Though you would need to maintain some focus, it is good against other physical attacks. However, keep in mind that just about everyone here knows some form of magic, and spells will pass through the holes (like the above mentioned fire). o, good idea, but do know it's weaknesses.

As for comparing energy, let me expand on this. You are only partially right, as far as comparing your energy at 15 to an Arch Mage at 10. es, your energy is higher. But, that is still comparing apples and oranges. An Arch Mage's energy is still greater. Let me try to explain. An Arch Mage would have much more experience than an apprentice. Even with a lower energy rating, they would know how to use their's more effectively. So, you would burn out quicker. They could prolong their focus longer, split their focus, and cast more powerful spells. You learn to control and conserve. So, though I understand your comparison, but you are still slightly off.

The last issue is your attitude to Watcher. You are a member, and she is staff. If ANY of the staff say something to you, it goes, unless it is revoked or countered by another staff member of higher standings. I read the comments underneath the bio, and I know her. She was very patient and polite, and you were argumentative and rude. You are lucky you have yet to be banned. She has given you ample opportunity to change what needs to be fixed, and you still seem to want to push the issue. Your bio needs approval before you RP. Simply change what wasn't approved by those given the authority to judge, and move on. As you grow here, you may be able to add things later. Until you gain some experience here, you need to tone it down.

I will warn you... if you keep pushing it, the staff will reach their breaking point, and you will be on the loosing end. Take the critiques, and enjoy yourself. The concept of your character was good, and I would like to see it in action. Waste less time pushing for something that was already given a no, and use what was approved. That is all for now. I hope this has helped.

[The « Scith »]

Actually, considering facts in that a hilt heavy fencing sword is only really meant for stabbing, I have to decline the fact you know what type of sword I am talking about. If you are familiar with the width of a stilleto you would know that romanite swords which were of thicker width and around 3lbs+ at a width upwards of three inches in maxim, as well as hardly being over 30inches to reach nearly 3.5inchs and still being practically paper thin. You would have to consider the fact I ALSO stated an inch in width. The cutlass I have here in my house weighs a hefty 5.32lbs hilt and all. The average great sword hardly goes beyond that width near the base and with it it is almost a cm thick. The type of sword I see him using as hiltless and double edged would have to be easily two inches plus of steel. None the less, I retract my statement of 10+lbs, as its the weight of renassiance like blades, which I am more familiar with.

A blade depending on WHAT material it is of three feet and anywhere from one too three inches can weigh easily in the neighborhood of 2lbs - 8lbs. Exaggeration is a trait of mine, so best to get used to it. It does however feel like ALOT more when you are trying to swing the damn thing.

Edit: Crap, meant 5.32lbs. Modified xP Though it is still a bit heavy for a cutlass. Maybe someone can help me out here? Black steel about an inch wide, few millimeters thick, has an old bronze handle on it got all kinds of little designs >>?

[Jason]

Damn this seems to be striking upn quite a bit on contraversy. Might even run the guy away from the board with the responses.

What I wonder is why nobody simply said this to resolve it.

The spell is a good one and definatly valid. But like stated it's just not something useable at your level being an apprentice. Just go ahead and set it aside for a later rank and so forth. The main problem would be the accuracy of which you use the strikes. But when at the rank you could use it I think youde be able to be accurate with them.

See simple and I belive that wouldn't cause any of the arguments that popped up instead of degrading on the creativity of his shielding with the needles which was really a neat idea considering that he made it so at his level he had a way to block some attacks but not every single one like many people including me make thier shields do. he gave himself a WEAKNESS to his shield Something that he should get a bit of credit for instead of having someone say it seemed kida dumb in aspects.

Okay granted arguing with the staff wasn't the greatest thing to do. but I find it odd that he's raising decent points about what he can and cannot do. I think I'm kinda irked about people griping at him considering my character actually had more outlandish more powerful moves at the same rank yet NOBODY on the staff really had anything to say about it except to make sure I watch the energy consumed. Doesn't seem fair to have let me use what I do and not let him at least have a bit of leeway with that spell.

though Evyinder. I'll throw a suggestion. The needles are good. But for the strike with the sword blades. I would say use a weaker version and have them be metal spikes. They would be made for pirceing and they could be lighter as they wouldn't have to withstand heavy blows from blocking and so forth making them easier to use at you level.

Well thats my two cents. Anybody who doesn't like it. Well I don't really care as it would be stupid to try and insult me or chew me out through a computer screen. ;D

[Roy Atenwood]

In my opinion, the whole thing boils down to:

Staff: Right.
Him: Wrong.

I'll say it again. Argue with the staff, and you should be banned.

[The « Scith »]

Acutally. I think the swords are more valid then the needles since you require more precision and concentration to wield them but. - Shrug. - If he can specify WHAT exactly his sword is made of, wrought iron, steel, bronze, etc. How big they are besides 3feet ( Kinda like you did with the needles. ) then I can probably see how its more plausible.